Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital D/A headphone amplifier Associated Equipment

Sidebar 2: Associated Equipment

Analog Sources: Kuzma Stabi S turntable & Stogi tonearm; Thorens TD 124 Mk.I turntable, Jelco 350S tonearm; Denon DL-103, Hana EL, Ortofon Quintet Bronze cartridges.
Digital Sources: Asus laptop computer running Qobuz, Tidal; Tascam CD-200iL CD player; DragonFly Red, Halide DAC HD, BorderPatrol DACs; Western Digital T2 Mirror Drives (2).
Preamplification: Auditorium 23 A23 MC step-up transformer, Luxman EQ-500 phono preamplifier, Shindo Laboratory Allegro preamplifier.
Power Amplifier: Shindo Laboratory Haut-Brion.
Integrated Amplifiers: Heed Audio Elixir, Parasound Halo Hint 6.
Loudspeakers: DeVore Fidelity Orangutan O/93, Elac Debut B6, Klipsch Heresy III, Quad S-2.
Headphones: AKG Acoustics K612 Pro Reference Studio, Master & Dynamic MH40.
Cables: Digital: Mytek. Interconnect: AudioQuest Chicago & Water & Yukon, Morrow Audio MA-1, Shindo Laboratory, Triode Wire Labs Spirit II (RCA). Speaker: AudioQuest Castle Rock, Auditorium 23, Tellurium Q Black, Triode Wire Labs American. AC: manufacturers' own.
Accessories: IsoTek IVO3 Aquarius power conditioner, Music Hall Aztec Blue & Mooo record mats; Spec AD-UP1 Analog Disc Sheet; Salamander five-tier rack; IKEA Aptitlig bamboo chopping boards (under preamp, power amp); DiversiTech rubber and cork anti-vibration pads; Mapleshade maple platform (15" by 12" by 2") under turntable, 3"-thick studio-treatment foam damping (ceiling, walls).
Listening Room: 12' L by 10' W by 12' H, system set up along short wall; suspended wood floor, 6"-thick walls (plaster over 2x4), wood-beamed ceiling.—Ken Micallef

COMPANY INFO
Pro-Ject Audio Systems, Audio Tuning Vertriebs GmbH
US: Sumiko Audio
6655 Wedgwood Road N. Suite 115
Maple Grove, MN 55311-2814
(510) 843-4500
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Lorenzo-Italia's picture

Ladies and Gents
With 399$ You get “almost state of the art...”
If you really need more than “almost”, maybe “full” state of the art just multiply almost by a factor of 100!

Is this the way you manage your everyday life ? Think before you buy
Best
Lorenzo from Italy

allhifi's picture

Lorenzo (from Italy): What exactly are you saying ?

Your comment is difficult to decipher/decode ! lol

It's been my long-standing experience to note that 'Digital' source's
(when competently engineered) ALWAYS sound excellent. Unlike 'Analog' gear, very short signal paths and very near-by, 'controlled' circuit power supply 'draw'appears to reward handsomely. Consider 'Chord' Electronics for example.

In any case, the Pro-Next Pre Box S2 appears a thoroughly engineered product. I suspect it will offer up superior SQ. At the very least, it can be used as an evaluation tool with the very desirable option of the multitude of Digital Filter choices.

Presently, I'm using a couple mid-level Network Player's/Streamer's and as far as Internet Radio is concerned, my two separate SBC's (Rasp. Pi, Odroid C2) running Rune Audio/MPD/Linux via USB cable to DAC sounds considerably better than the 'commercial' Player's ;even using the modest Schiit Modi-2 Uber DAC.

later this week, I'll have one to evaluate (PB S2), and shall report back.

Seeing as Pro-ject's Pre Box S2 has garnered favorable reviews, it's surely a fine DAC. It certainly has earned its retail price by offering the latest premium DAC chip (32/768 KHz), careful USB implementation, Display Window, Filter Choice -gotta love that feature/option, MQA capability, premium parts/circuit board along with a pair of spdif Inputs along with USB.

Shall report back,

peter jasz

YankeePhile70's picture

I just bought this little beauty and I can attest to its CLASS A rating! After having owned Audioquest, Grace, and Chord dacs, this one is a keeper. Voices in particular offer outstanding clarity. None of the typical, "venetian blind" affect one gets, where voices don't lock to the center of the soundstage. Subtle shifts in soundstage perception are very audible. The highs are clean and liquid, without sibilance, typical for dacs in this price range. Dynamics are ELECTRIFYING! THIS DAC IS A REAL WINNER!

Kblade's picture

The fact that this reviewer only used the Optimal Transient response filter. Shows me he had no clue of what he was doing. It is the worst filter on the project. This filter pushes the midrange way to forward causing it to sound very dry with no air no sparkle. Awful review! ONE HELL OF A DAC FIVE STARS!

Bogolu Haranath's picture

Another DAC/headphone amp to consider is Chord Mojo ($570) ......... Stereophile Class-A listed ........ Mojo is self powered with built-in battery :-) ........

er1c's picture

I have jumped back and forth between them as well. I too did not hear much difference scanning through the filters at first but now, 6 months in, with great NOS tubes in my Rogue Sphinx 2, I can clearly hear differences between a few. My preference, a significant preference, is the Linear Apodizing filter. With this filter mids on my LS50s are richer and have more weight. Close second (in a mood, a preference) is Hybrid, which on this gear gives some edge to the transients and I hear more energy in high frequency sounds. I did buy it for MQA on Tidal, for which I can offer no strong opinion at this time, just share that it is case by case, sometimes exciting but other times my experience is that I feel something in the music like the way you might get a feeling from food that's too processed, a sense that something is added that's subtly uncomfortable. S2 also doubles as DAC for my Cambridge CD transport, a very enjoyable detailed sound from my CD collection, though I plan this year to move up the food chain with a more sophisticated DAC. Film at eleven. Nice review thanks.

ken mac's picture

for your comments.

rt66indierock's picture

This review is an example of why you measure first and listen second. I measured it, Audio Science Review and John Atkinson measured it. We all came to the same conclusion that it measures well. Amir and I both found second harmonics which would have been worth discussing.

But if Tom Petty sounded louder in the MQA version you didn’t volume match. This renders many of your sound comments invalid. Finally, MQA like any format seems to be normally distributed with the majority either no difference or a different sort of different (thanks Kal).

ken mac's picture

you measure and listen independently. There are many many instances where gear measures poorly and sounds great and vice versa. A story as old as the hills. MQA sounded louder and I adjusted volume. And MQA sounded better on every available track. Your comments are invalid. Cheers.

rt66indierock's picture

I appreciate you documenting your lack of understanding of volume matching. Fortunately, someone I’m frequently at odds with can help, your new editor Jim Austin.

Ken you measure first to simply verify the component is quiet enough to take full advantage of the 96 dB on a 16/44.1 file. If it doesn’t, I box it up and return it as unacceptable.

As for every MQA track sounding better, those of us who tuned live systems with The Nightfly find the MQA version to be worse.

As for your comments about measurements and sound I think you are misinterpreting what Daniel von Recklinghausen meant so I’m going to write an article about it.

ken mac's picture

Which began with J. Gordon Holt, continued through the first JA and is now upheld by the current JA is to listen first, then measure. Sorry if our methods don't agree with your's. Plenty of mags/sites/forums where your views are in vogue...hey, you can even submit your article...Nightfly as barometer? No wonder.

allhifi's picture

Ken Mac is right; your comments (vol.level matching) are naively invalid.

AND, as Ken correctly points out again, listen, measure -comment. Only with considerable experience can one come to the realization that impressive "specifications" and SQ are not particularly related -again as Ken Mac has stated).

pj

Graham Luke's picture

...model worthy of consideration is the excellent Gilmore Lite Mark 2 by Headamp. The Gilmore does not have a built in DAC but pairs incredibly well with a Dragonfly Red. The beauty is that you can mix and match DACs and upgrade in the future.

RaimondAudio's picture

There are many other very good cheap DAC's like: Topping DX7s, Topping DX3PRO, Topping D50, Aune X1s, Khadas Tone,SMSL SU-8V2 etc. Over 1.000$ we have Okto DAC, RME ADI-2, Gustard X26, Yulong DA10, SMSL D1, etc.

dc_bruce's picture

"Class A," they said.

If these classifications have any meaning, then this little box is just as good as, say, the Chord Quetest or the Schitt Yggdrasil. Admittedly, the test scores are nice; but the aural comparisons in the review are with other similarly priced budget DACs, like the Dragonfly. And, it was not even a clear winner, subjectively, over the Dragonfly.

For that matter, after Mr. Atkinson's glowing, enthusiastic review of the Quetest, I was surprised it was not in the "A+" category. Would that be because the much more expensive Chord DAVE is in that same group?

Having never had the opportunity to compare a slew of DACs against each other, I can't say whether meaningful (i.e. audible) differences between DACs exist. But it seems to me that if Stereophile is going to be in the business of ranking them-- Class A+, Class A, Class B, etc. -- then some kind of explanation is in order . . . and more than the vague generalities that precede the rankings.

Or, maybe I should just risk a few hundred $$$ and find out for myself.
So, is it just going to be about the numbers from now on?

allhifi's picture

dc_Bruce: For someone as yourself who doubts any "meaningful" distinctions exist between DAC's has no place here (experience/interest) to cast opinion.

Why in the world would you be interested in Stereophile's rating grade when you yourself don't even own a DAC and quake in your shoes at the thought of shelling out/"risking" a few hundred dollars.

Stick to your 'Gun's' and Sears stereo.

pj

helomech's picture

based on JA's measurements. I had been wanting to try a more modern architecture but figured I'd wet my feet before shelling out 3X as much for a Benchmark or Mytek. After spending a few days with the Pre Box S2, it's hard to imagine much can be gained with those pricier units. While it may not be a giant slayer, it's quite an upgrade over my old Topping PCM DAC. The Pre Box also outperforms my Line Magnetic 502 CA when compared to the latter's SS mode. That DAC had an MSRP of $1800 just a few years ago.

allhifi's picture

Great to hear you are enjoying the S2 -it wouldn't surprise me at all. I also have no doubt it easily outperforms the other DAC's noted.

It would be informative to hear from owner's (or qualified listener's) experiences between the S2 and the Mytek 'Liberty', 'Brooklyn +, Benchmark 2/3 or even the Chord 'Qutest'.

pj

Kblade's picture

What is a qualified listener. Do you have to have dog years or do you have to write for a magazine. What a dumb comment

allhifi's picture

Yoh, Chooch: For 'normal' (i.e. no-moronic) folk it's rather self explanatory.

Perhaps you should spend more time listening to your Candle (brand) radio as opposed to imposing your 5th grade education/mentality here. Good luck -not really.

pj

allhifi's picture

helomech: It's unlikely you/we have "specs" for 'cabling' (or are looking at the right ones -lol) but you be'd really surprised at the SQ distinctions noted if you exchange/experiment with the 5V Walmart power cord/USB-Micro cable -providing the 5V DC power to S2.

AND, without exception, give your DAC it's own space/ shelf/ space -as opposed to perched upon something else.

Finally, if possible feed your 'Digital' gear AC-Regen power or at the least Balanced/Symmetrical AC power; gains in SQ/performance are considerable.

Enjoy,

pj

helomech's picture

had this to say about the Pre Box S2:
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=158442.0

miketk's picture

radiant, sensuous, feminine missing?

I have just purchased a Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital to sit between my desktop PC and main hifi system - Prima Luna Dialogue Premium HP and Monitor Audio Gold 200 (ribbon) speakers.

Forget all about the headphone amp part. This is one of the best DACs I have heard so far for resolving voices and instruments and placing them in a huge sound stage. I think the secret may be to connect it to a valve amplifier. This adds that hint of natural warmth to the mesmerising detail retrieval.

(PS I also have a Cambridge Audio DACMagicPlus, Chord Mojo and and Audiolab M-DAC+)

In the UK the PBS2D has been described as 'Budget Esoterica' in the top quality HiFi News mag (August 2017). Just forget the headphone amp section. It is not as good as the dual mono ES 9038 DAC section.

The DAC section is another tiny piece of John Westlake magic and I think it may become a hifi classic.

As one example, The Opera Band Amici Forever album has never sounded better than through the PBS2D in my system. The separation of the five powerful operatic voices (two female, three male) and deep resonant bass is exceptional. To me this is radiant and sensual and feminine.

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